Alrighty, I'm two thirds through the next scene. I hope to have it done and posted by the end of the week. It's okay, but not exactly what I want, so I keep tweaking it. I may just suck it up and post it with the direction that it is going, but we'll see. Salut.
Last Edit: Jan 29, 2008 8:14:46 GMT -5 by Glorfindel
Lennaire, have they hooked you up with G-docs yet? I know you've been around on the board a lot, so you may be aware of more than I am assuming. But Huinesoron has a completed script for the first film. We were working on editing it, so there are three sections on G-docs. The first section is the edited script that he and I were working on, and the next two sections are the remainder of the unedited script. This one that "G" is putting up is brand new. He is writing it himself and it is still in the beginning stages. I'm not even sure how many scenes he is planning. I think the script hS did had something like 68 scenes. Also the script for Luthien and Beren is complete and saved on this board as well, however it is unedited also and Maeglin who wrote it left the board a very long time ago. hS tried to find him, but he has disappeared without a trace, so I guess we can have a free for all with his script since he is no longer here to guide our efforts or object to major changes. The scripts for the last two movies have never been written. It was the general consensus that having two scripts to edit and perfect were enough to work on and once all was settled then we would tackle the last two. In any case my point is that there are actually two complete scripts that you can look at and get some idea about lines, and acting talent and voices, etc while we wait for "G" to give us his version. Again, at this juncture I'm not sure which script we are even going to be using. Perhaps hS is waiting for "G" to complete his version and then do a comparison of both scripts and see which one to use or whether to combine them. Please by all means if you are able go on to G-docs, check out the original script and then check out "G's" version and give us your input from an actors stand point. hS, "G" and I are all three writers, and by that I mean authors and not so much screenwriters, this is a new adventure for all of us. We may be over doing or under doing the lines either in wordiness or emotion. An experienced actor. like yourself. could look over the lines in all three of the existing scripts and have a good handle on how that would play out. You have the ability to hear it in your head and speak it out loud when you read it and see how it sounds and how it feels. Can you get into it? I mean that's what's all about for the actor/actress how does it feel, how would you shape it, how would you make it your own? We all three can definitely benefit from the wisdom you can bring to the table. We are very glad you joined us and are looking forward to your assistance.
Hey there my friend. I'm still lurking about in the shadows. Right now between working two jobs and keeping up with school, well.....I just don't have the time I once did to devote to this, but between you and our newest members and the grand return of Maeglin the board is alive and well. I will jump back in as soon as I'm able, in the mean time keep posting scenes. We need to give our actors/actresses and art experts something to work with. I'm anxious to see what they can show us. Written words are great, but seeing the action on film, that's what it is really all about.
Yeah, I'm ready for the next phase also; to get to "see" something. I ended up going back through most of what I've posted (script) and tried to tweak it a bit before I continued with the rest. I removed some of the direction (camera angles and imagery). I realized that what I wrote might not be so easily translated when it comes to the actual animation. Story boarding will present a lot of opportunity to look into what is feasible and practical. I'm still shooting for this weekend to post the rest (well, at least everything but the final act). We'll see. Take care.
Hey there my friend. I don't think there is any rush. We are all pressed for time. Of course we are anxious to see what you have for us. We would like to get this first script ready, so we can edit Maeglin's script and begin working on the next two, but this lay dormant for almost two years, so as we inch along, some progress is better than no progress. Patience is the key for all of us. As I mentioned in another post, most of us are either in college or still struggling to get our careers off the ground and all of us are working and since Christopher is opposed to this becoming a reality commercially we aren't exactly under any deadlines. We are just having fun, so no rush. I don't know about everyone else, but I think everyone would agree that we would rather have quality than quantity.
No worries. I just kind of...want to get through before I run out of steam. I keep wanting to dabble with storyboarding or animation software when I need to be writing. Hate being double minded. I'm about through with Act One. I had to go back and cut a bit so that took time. I have the rest sketched so hopefully it will move along well. Thanks for you patiences.
Hey there! I'm still hanging about, just unbelievably busy! Anyway, please be careful, please do not over do the cutting. This is what we were all wrestling with. This first movie is going to have long scenes and long dialogs (speeches?) and be slow moving. The other three movies can flow easily, but this one.....well that's the rub, we all "get it" about not getting bogged down in too much detail, however if a proper ground work and a proper foundation is not laid then we run the risk of losing the viewer. If stuff is being said or done and no one knows why and the movie makes no sense then what's the point? This has been the arguement all along about not making the Silm into a movie. With Lord of the Rings there was a backdrop, there was something back in history to reach back to---that something is the Silm. The first movie is the toughest one to make. There is nothing to reach back too, it is the proverbial beginning and all must be made clear, the other three movies can reach back or actually build upon the first movie. There are certain things that you just can't skim over or leave out. It is the biggest problem, because the book was telling a story from third person perspective and very little dialogue. We obviously cannot make the entire movie be just one prologue for the other three movies, which means we have to bring the characters to life and let them tell the story by acting it out and using dialogue. There is a lot complexity. There are two family histories being exposed. The history of the Ainur, their character, their relationship to each other and to nature for one. And then you have three separate groups of elves, and one of those groups actually gets split in half thereby creating a fourth group of elves and then there is even a fifth group that Eol belonged to (I think they were called the dark elves, it has been awhile since I've looked at the book), but then you have to focus on one group out of the three groups that is then broken down into three distinct families and all the dynamics that occurred between them which ultimately led to the creation of the silmarils and the oath and the curse and all other things that followed. I had to read the book twice just to figure out all the whos who and what their part was in the whole grand scheme of things. The movie will be worthless if the average viewer can't follow it. A skeleton script in the first movie is not going to work, although I am willing to compromise as far as re-thinking how much of it we can get by with just showing the action with some really cool music and minus any dialogue, or by showing flashbacks and having a voice over as the actor thinking back---although hS doesn't want voiceovers, so hence the long scenes and lengthy dialog. Don't get mad at me, I'm not trying to tell you your business, it is your script, I'm just trying to point out the pit falls and caution against cutting too much.
Another thought on this is to follow the StarWars legacy. I mean realistically the Lord of the Rings has already hit the world, with the Hobbit forthcoming, so why not continue to rewind? Tell the story in reverse. LotR reached back to the Hobbit and legends of the Silm, the Hobbit will reach back to the Silm, so do the War of Wrath film next and let it reach back, next the Tale of Turin and let it reach back, then the Lay of Luthien and let it reach back and finally the Fall of the Nolder will answer all the questions, will tie everything together and perhaps it will lessen the heavy burden of extensive explanations because as you move backwards things in the Hobbit will explain some of the loose in LotR, things in the War of Wrath will explain some of the loose ends in the Hobbit, etc, etc. Just a thought.
Last Edit: Mar 21, 2008 20:40:07 GMT -5 by tamitha
Post by Glorfindel on Mar 25, 2008 16:42:57 GMT -5
MY! I actually like the rewind idea!
Well, I'm not trying to cut information, but just the overboard talking. If I were writing a book, I would really lay into why a character felt a certain way and explain it in different ways. I'm trying to do the "less is more" and use one hard line sentence or expression to make the point.
Nerdanel's line -
I am looking for our sons; I know that you probably have not seen them since you are always locked up in here. Feanor, you spend too much time at the forge when you need to about the mentoring of your sons.
I'm here looking for those things that you value less than craft; our sons.
The hardest part is the speech's by Feanor and augment by his brothers. Those could go on for ten minutes or more if you don't corral them. The Ring of Doom is another but I've got it down to about five minutes (5 pages). I don't want a scene to run past five to six minutes, with the average being three and a half. I will finish up soon (I hope) and then we can yeah or nay stuff moving forward. Anyway, thanks for the ideas and I hope to get this off of my back in.... ;D
Okay, cool. Yes, I agree, less is more. Alot can be done with facial expressions and other gestures or actions. Glad you liked my rewind idea. It just may be the way to go after all. It certainly would relieve much of the heavy burden that is being placed on this initial movie, because people understand the LotR, but there are unanswered questions and things that pique the curiosity that motivates the viewer to see the Hobbit and then say, "Oh yeah, now I get it," or "Okay, now such and such makes sense." By going in reverse instead of building up to the LotR that everyone already knows the end of the story, you can instead build up the readers curiosity and the desire to know more and get the "answers" to the "riddles in the dark" and the first movie (which will be shown last) now has less explaining to do and more just filling in the blanks and is a huge cresendo that everyone just cannot wait to see. I don't know if you watch "Lost" or not, but that is kind of what they are doing. For all the questions they answer they create twice as many. They just keep digging the hole and those of us who are addicted keep coming back every week trying for the life of us to figure it out, but what keeps us coming back is the fact that we know eventually all questions will be answered and it will all make sense. You can only drag that out for so long, people will eventually get frustrated if you don't tie it all up at some point, so if we do go backwards there is no danger of the first/final movie being some kind of let down because by then people will by dying to see how all the pieces fit. But.................ultimately that is not my call.
I'm coming close to the finish line, but I get hung up on minor issues that zap my time. One issue, being the songs. There are several places where songs are needed and I end up debating whether to write something worth while that may be kept in the script, writing a "filler" version of it knowing that once the sound track/music aspect gets started that it will change, or omit them altogether. It's not a big deal in and of itself, but just one of the many "time bandits". Oh well, back to the grind.
Last Edit: Apr 21, 2008 8:26:26 GMT -5 by Glorfindel
LAST THREE SENCES!!! I've gotten down to the last of it. I'm fairly burned out so give me this week to finish and proof read. A lot of second guessing and mini-rewrites have slowed me down. I'm trying to stick with my outline and plot points but it has been hard. Anyway, the finish line is well in sight and I hope to stumble over it real soon.