Saphy, I sent the music that you couldn't play to the Gmail account, to see if other people like it and so some one can translate it into a tongue your computer understands...
...in her heart she gave him in a name in the forbidden tongue of the Noldor, Lomion, that signifies Child of Twilight; but his father gave him no name until he was twelve years old. Then he called him Maeglin, which is Sharp Glance...
Everyone says I'm really good at music. I can play piano, flute, and guitar. My best friend says I can sing, but she's my best friend. And although I know I can play instruments, I can't sing. Anyways, I've got some stuff I wrote for my flute that would work for when Yavanna sings up the two trees. It might need to be modified to add a few string instruments though. Does anyone play violin? I think maybe Edvard Grieg's Elfin Dance would be good for any Mordor stuff. Hall of the Mountain King is good too (also Grieg) and it would be perfect for Melkor digging his underground fortress.
I play the violin, viola and thinking about learning the mandolin (my grandfather played it, and it's the same strings as a violin, so maybe...)
I also write music, and I've got some things I'm working on that if I ever finish them should work well... I'm using the crossing of the Helcaraxe as inspiration for one piece, plus most of the music I write would be fairly appropriate.
As for classical composers, Sibelius always makes me think of Tolkien - he was really inspired by the Kalavela as was Tolkien, and the Sibelius sound would be appropriate for the Silm. What I'm specifically thinking of is the opening theme of the Violin Concerto and the Swan of Tuonela, if anyone knows them...
I've got other ideas I'm working on too, so will say more when I've got something better
Last Edit: May 11, 2005 20:47:54 GMT -5 by Elcalion
There everlastingly thy naked self shall endure the torment of his scorn, pierced by his eyes, unless thou yield to me the mastery of thy tower...
Hello everyone, I just joined! I've been a Tolkien fan for years, but I also happen to be a songwriter. (I know, I know...) Anyway, I would be interested in contributing somehow if you guys would be interested. I have worked with acidmusic before, though I'm a little rusty, and have written and recorded in studios before. If you would like to hear some of my stuff, you could go to garageband.com and search for Jeff Dumas, or to hear some of the loop based stuff, go to acidplanet and do a search for Ranger Bob. (Don't worry, I won't be offended if you hate it, but if you like it and would like me to be a part of your project, just let me know.) Also, I know a fair bit about classical music, and would be happy to make suggestions for you guys to check out.
Post by Chronicler on Jul 11, 2005 21:42:22 GMT -5
As a suggestion, has anyone heard of the group Blind Guardian? Their CD Nightfall in Middle-earth is the story of the Silmarillion, so we might be able to get some ideas. It also offers a slight difference in sound; metal as opposed to classical. If you've heard it, what do you think? Could we use something similar?
~ Chronicler ~
In the beginning Eru, the One, who in the Elvish tongue is named Ilúvatar, made the Ainur of his thought; and they made a great Music before him.
I shall get composing... I've been meaning to do more, but haven't gotten around to it. Perhaps I should just record myself playing and let someone else translate it into written music...I hate doing that, it takes me forever, and then I can't read it anyway.
As you turned to go I heard you call my name, like a bird in a cage spreading its wings to fly. "The old ways are lost," you sang as you flew, and I wondered why. The thundering waves are calling me home to you... The pounding sea is calling me home to you...
I just played around with orchestral sounds to make a quite "cinematic" sound. Don't know where this little thing could be used though. Maybe only to show what actually is possible with the aid of computers.
Post by Huinesoron on Sept 15, 2007 4:47:02 GMT -5
Ooh. You're right, derleu, that is quite impressive. As you say, too short to be used by itself, but it's a good starting point...
I tell you what; seeing as there's only two of us around, it looks like, would you be adverse to working up something a bit longer? Like... a theme-tune for one of the films? You can find the scripts over in the Screenwriting section (or, y'know, the story can be found in those books by that one guy, Token or something... ), sooo...
I'm asking this for multiple reasons. One is that if people are doing stuff, new people or returning members are more likely to join in. Another is that, well, it'd be nice to put together a trailer or something, and to do that, we need music -- and what better than the title track, theme tune, opening sequence, whatever you want to call it.
It is, of course, just a request -- if you don't want to, don't. I'm not in charge of the music section (mostly because I have little to no musical talent), so I can't actually hand out assignments like I sound like I'm doing. But... it'd be nice, is all.
~He came never back among the people of the Elves~
No, sure. I can think about themes for different parts/characters in the story and also put them into orchestration. Which doesn't mean that other people who are hopefully joining/rejoining cannot tell me their ideas for certain scenes. Something that would be helpful though is a complete storyline for the movie in short or a summary about what actually happens through the whole movie (Berzerker_prime might be right in this case). I know there is a book that tells me, but lots of things won't be in the movies.
About the trailer: Good Idea! Something that can be put on Youtube, for instance, so that many people out there know about this site. We should also make more advertising in general Tolkien forums and movie makers' forums so that also the non-PPCers (like I am) get to know about the project.
Post by Huinesoron on Sept 17, 2007 11:23:03 GMT -5
We should also make more advertising in general Tolkien forums and movie makers' forums so that also the non-PPCers (like I am) get to know about the project.
It's a good idea, but relies on people going to those Boards. We got most members from the PPC and the Barrowdowns because those are where the original members came from.
that would be helpful though is a complete storyline for the movie in short or a summary about what actually happens through the whole movie.
Well, we had a synopsis somewhere... but if Berz is right and the script needs scrapping, then a) we might as well start a new Board somewhere else, because there's nothing else here, and b) whoever writes the new one will need to work out for themselves what's going in and what isn't.
What is worth noting is that, despite Berz's comments, there really isn't very much in the Silmarillion, in terms of content. The Fall of the Noldor (other than the prologue) deals with only successive chapters eight chapters, and practically ignores two of those, while only using the end of another. It's not like there are little details or short sections that can be cut out, like visiting Tom Bombadil. A lot of what's in there is description of places and people's thoughts, which doesn't come out as a lot in the way of script. Far from cutting things out, it was necessary to add scenes in.
(For the record, the chapters dealt with in FotN are 6-13, with 10 and 12 being almost completely dropped)
~He came never back among the people of the Elves~
I don't know if it has to be rewritten (I have no idea about these things in detail). I thought more of a plan how the story builds up: which are the most important things in it, which are the central themes (I know, there are these stones - they could be of a certain importance ;-)), where is/are the climax/climaxes. I could also go through the current script scene by scene, but if the writers, who know the best what they wrote, explain how they meant it, it could avoid misunderstandings. Don't think too complicated...
And yes, you're right about leaving/adding scenes, but then it's even more important to know where the focus is.
Post by Huinesoron on Sept 17, 2007 16:13:10 GMT -5
if the writers, who know the best what they wrote
<Laughs and laughs and laughs and laughs>
... heh. Sorry. To be perfectly honest, I no longer have a clue what happens in the script. I know I marked a couple of scenes as important -- Feanor's appearence the first time we see a sword and the arrival of the Noldor in Beleriand spring to mind -- but as for the rest... I've no idea.
Still, the complete file's up somewhere... tell you what, I've got a spare half hour, I'll go through it now and come up with a thematic synopsis -- important scenes and plot points, and even (if I find that I can) a graph of the tension/interest as the script goes by. It could help with editing, too...
EDIT: And a very nice graph it is, too.
I've labelled the significant peaks according to what's happening at the time. It gives, I hope, at least a rudimenary rundown of the pacing of the film. You can find the script as it stood before revisions began at www.freewebs.com/bonsaimallorn4/Fall%20of%20the%20Noldor.doc... and just by looking at the graph, I can see where I need to expand or contract the space between major scenes. Still, as it stands, the dramatic/visual tension (red and green lines respectively) match up fairly well with a rundown of the major plot points in the film. The only one that's missing is the first appearence of the Silmarils, although that /is/ the first peak of them all -- it takes place around scene 6 and I didn't think it was high enough to be a major peak for these purposes.
Last Edit: Sept 17, 2007 17:27:52 GMT -5 by Huinesoron
~He came never back among the people of the Elves~
Cool! The graph looks really nice. It could also help the visual artists for the story board. I'll try to come up with themes/moods first as the final composition needs the visual part for synchronization. (I haven't done something like this before, so it's gonna be fun ;-))