Manveru - agreed. As War of Wrath eventually features the refugees of Doriath, we can cover the Fall of Doriath in there. All the pieces of it. Either in the prologue or as flashbacky stuff later on. Sticking to the core plot is a good plan.
... says the person who keeps sidetracking back to Valinor. But that's different. No, really.
~He came never back among the people of the Elves~
then might i humbly suggest that we split the war of wrath into 2 movies. This is becase: 1) it is really... not good, for the main character to die half-way through the movie and introduce another main character for the second half. 2) the war of wrath seems to be really long. Just a suggestion, but it gives more time to explain each story better than just cutting to make it all fit.
And turn it into Fall of Gondolin and War of Wrath? Taking FoG up to, well, just after the Fall, and starting WoW just after, with the refugees reaching Sirion? And prologuing it with the Fall of Doriath?
Or even starting it back in the past, picking up after LoL, so that FoG and WoW sort of run in tandem for the first half of WoW and second half of FoG. Because I just realised that Gondolin needs to start with Maeglin, too...
Every time we talk about this, it all gets more complicated.
~He came never back among the people of the Elves~
Post by hiddenvalor on May 6, 2008 14:04:40 GMT -5
I know that a possible film of the Akallabeth was mentioned in the first post, so I thought I would post a treatment that I have read on the subject, purely for everyone's enjoyment (but I would love to see this made into a movie): www.uib.no/People/hnohf/numenor1.htm
Valor hidden is character-driven.
"Beyond the Circles of the World you shall not persue those who refuse you." --Hurin to Morgoth upon Thangorodrim
"We are Rangers. We walk in the dark places no others will enter. We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass. We live for the One, we die for the One." -- Anla'shok creed
I do agree the the Fall of Gondolin and the War of Wrath need to be separate distinct movies. I know you're going to hate me for this one, but here it is: If we are to convey just how disastrous Nirnaeth Arnoediad was, and have the viewer actually hope for its success and to be personally devastated and horrified at the results of that campaign, We need it to be its own movie as well. That is the only way for the name of that battle to actually earn its name for the viewers of these films. We dont just have to present the story to them. We have to make them feel the immense sorrow of that segment as well.
I also havent given up on Akallabeth, either, lol.
I do agree the Fall of Gondolin and the War of Wrath need to be separate distinct movies. I know you're going to hate me for this one, but here it is: If we are to convey just how disastrous Nirnaeth Arnoediad was, and have the viewer actually hope for its success and to be personally devastated and horrified at the results of that campaign, We need it to be its own movie as well.
No hate here, but expansion of the number of films is not a very desired thing. I perfectly understand what you mean about adding "weight" to the Nirnaeth Arnoediad to make it a gut wrenching tragedy; maybe some of the other members can comment on this....anyone? Truth be told., there is enough material to do ten to twelve movies!
1. Ainulindalë - from the song to the coming of the first born to Aman and the binding of Melkor.
2. Fall of the Noldor - from creation of the Silmarils to the Mereth Aderthad.
3. Battle against Darkness ( or The Siege of Angband) - from the journey of Turgon and Finrod to the Dagor Bragollach.
4. Beren and Luthien - from the capture of Minas Tirith by Sauron to the Hunting of the Wolf and Beren and Luthien's return to dwell on Tol Galen
5. The Nirnaeth Arnoediad - retrace the involvement and progression of role of men in Middle-earth, the battle and ending with the Huor's prophesy and Turgon's retreat.
6. Fall of Gondolin - retrace the building the city and Turgon moving his people there, Eol's death, the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, to the ultimate betrayal of his nephew and the destruction of the city.
7. The Children of Húrin - retrace Hurin's involvement and the fate of his children to his release and bringing the Nauglamír to Thingol.
8. The War of Wrath - chronicling Earendil's quest and the recapture of Melkor to the sad fate of Maglor and Maedhros.
9. Akallabeth - the whole legacy of Numenor. Told from the ending of the kingdom with flash-backs to it's long history. (could be two or three films (the rising, the glory days, and then the falling))
10. The Battle of the Last Alliance - the coming of the exiles of Númenor to Middle-earth, the establishing of the kingdoms of Anor and Gondor, the formation of the last alliance and the defeat of Sauron.
This all has been hashed and rehashed over and over. I just want to get "something" done at this point. I said it once before and I'll say it again, I believe that this needs to be made into a regular cable/TV series like the "Sopranos", and have it run for about five to six years at about twenty episodes a year to get it done properly. Now, if only HBO or Showtime will work it out with Chris and call me back... ... ;D
Yeah, well that's highly doubtful and we really have to watch our P's and Q's since technically what we are doing is illegal. Chris has not and most probably never will sell movie rights to the book otherwise I am sure that the powers that be Holywood (misspelled diberately) would be all over this. Fiction/Fantasy genre is big business today and there is enough activity on the internet about the Silmarillion to know that people are already clamboring for it. I return once more to my orginal idea of doing the movies in reverse. If this were ever to be done for real by the professionals since they have already have done LoTR and the Hobbit is supposed to be coming out "some time" in the "near?" future, then it would make sense to continue rolling backwards expounding on things that are introduced in each movie. In which case the Ainulindalë or FoTN or whatever they title it, in short "the beginning" would be much easier to make because so many things would have been introduced in the former movies. This movie would just be filling in the blanks, wrapping it all up, answering the unanswered questions instead of trying to figure out what to leave in and what to leave out and wondering if you are missing something important the will raise it's ugly head in a later movie.
Any way sponsering for this project is very risky business indeed. Breaking copyright laws is the cardinal sin of this industry. Everyone of us involved in this project has some kind of artistic talent and none of us would want to have our originals "bootlegged".
Just a word of caution.
P.S. Love your avatar! That is just cutiest penguin I have ever seen. Very huggable.
I too apologize for being gone for so long, but I just got back on-line yesterday after returning to the Shire from Rivendale. It may be a while before I have time to do any worthwhile posting as I need to catch up in school. The Master Elves from Rivendale still expect timely work from me, even though I am in the Shire and I am currently a full week behind, but I will be checking in. I will help as soon as I can.