Post by Glorfindel on Feb 27, 2009 13:28:13 GMT -5
- Noldor start making a lot of weapons and armor. Melkor pits the House of Finwe against itself.
<|>"Protect thyself and thy interest"<|>
*Change* The peaceful look of the Noldor in Aman turns to ugly displays of pride
"BEATS" 1. Fingolfin and Finarfin talk 2. Melkor comes along and butts in. 3. Fingolfin rebuffs Melkor 4. Melkor lies to both and promises knowledge to help them. 5. Fingolfin and Finarfin leave the area, but Curufin and Celegrom come by and Melkor starts on them.
Post by Glorfindel on Feb 27, 2009 13:38:58 GMT -5
Mahtan and Feanor
- Mahtan runs into Feanor and tries to talk to him about Nerdanel's feelings and the whole weapons making issue. Feanor half listens and then rebukes him.
<|> Mentioning the Silmarils<|>
*Change* The small hope that Mahtan had in reconciling his son-in-law and his daughter turns into bitterness.
"BEATS" 1. Mahtan suggests that Feanor talk to Nerdanel 2. Feanor blames her and says no 3. Mahtan asks about why the weapons are being made 4. Feanor tells him that it's none of his business 5. Mahtan states that it is Feanor's love for the Silmarils that has messed things up 6. Feanor tells Mahtan that he is just jealous and has no hope
Post by Glorfindel on Feb 27, 2009 15:59:47 GMT -5
"Kicking a dead horse" ;D
Yes, I should move beyond this, but I have the audio-book on my iPod so I can refresh myself from time to time. I've listened through the descriptions (or listings) of the names and kinship of the Noldor.
The book states that "in later days they were great hunters in the woods of Middle-earth" when describing Amrod and Amras. It then goes back and mentions Celegorm and notes that he too was a hunter, but it only says that he was friends with Orome and that he would "often follow the Valar's horn". Also that he gained great knowledge of birds and beasts from hanging around Orome's mansion.
Of Aredhel it is said that "she was younger in the years of the Eldar than her brothers, but when she was grown to full stature and beauty, she was tall and strong, and loved much to ride and hunt in the forest. There she was often in the company of the sons of Feanor, her kin."
Now what was the context of the first "hunting" statement? It speaks of Amrod and Amras being hunters out of all of the listings of Finwe's line, and that "in later days...great hunters...woods of Middle-earth".
It does not really count, and shouldn't have too great a bearing since we are using "The Silmarillion" as the source material, but I have perused The Book of Lost Tales: Part 1 and found the earliest renditions of Valinor and hunting.
Now Orome had a vast domain and it was beloved by him, and no less by Palurien his mother. Behold, the groves of trees they planted upon the foothills of the mountains have no compare on Earth. Beast reveled there, deer among the trees, and herds of kine among its spaces and wide grass-lands; bison there were, and horses roaming unharnessed, but these strayed never into the garden of the Gods, yet were they in peace and had no fear, for beasts of prey dwelt not among them, nor did Orome fare to hunting in Valinor.
Now I know J.R.R. changed a lot around since this first draft (names, relationships, fates) but it does show you his "original" mind. ;D ;D
Post by Glorfindel on Feb 27, 2009 16:22:45 GMT -5
Threaten Thy Brother?
- Finwe calls for a council and Fingolfin shows up before it convenes to speak to Finwe about Feanor. Before the conversation is completed, Feanor comes in and accuses his brother of trying to usurp the throne from Finwe (and himself being next in line) and threatens Fingolfin with his sword.
<|> Finwe's partial defense of Fingolfin<|>
*Change* Fingolfin's hope is crushed by Feanor's arrival
"BEATS" 1. Fingolfin and Finarfin speak to each other 2. Fingolfin enters the hall of Finwe 3. Finwe and Fingolfin speak 4. Feanor comes in and speaks against Fingolfin 5. Finwe tries to help an Fingolfin attempts to leave 6. Feanor stops Fingolfin and threatens him
Post by Glorfindel on Feb 27, 2009 16:39:30 GMT -5
Ring of Doom
- Feanor is summoned to the Ring of Doom. His sons and king Finwe come with him. Nerdanel, Fingolfin, and Finarfin and other Elves are already there. Feanor is questioned by the Valar and the truth of Melkor's lying is revealed. Tulkas and Orome leave to try to capture Melkor. The Valar pronounce judgment on Feanor of banishment for twelve years. Finwe announces that he will go with Feanor and Feanor's sons agree to go with Feanor too. This saddens Nerdanel.
<|> Finwe's announcement<|>
*Change* Blame for Feanor changes to revelations of Melkor being the root cause.
"BEATS" 1. Eonwe's intro of the circumstances 2. Mandos questions 3. Feanor's response 4. Manwe's questions 5. Feanor reveals and Melkor's involvement is uncovered 6. Manwe sends Tulkas and Orome after Melkor 7. Manwe's address 8. Mandos's address 9. Finwe's going too 10. Sons agree 11. Nerdanel sad 12. Mahtan and Aule's response
Post by Glorfindel on Feb 27, 2009 16:44:39 GMT -5
This would be the end of Act 1, at least that's how I planed it. We should be about 60 to 70 minutes into the film. I hoped to have it down to about 45 minutes for Act 1 but I thought that I had to cut too much or make the pacing too fast. I hope to get all of Act 2 up by the end of next week along with some storyboards. Have a good week end.
G said "To get back on track, all I can say is that I'll try to wiggle a hunting type thing into two of the scenes and switch a little around. It may bloat an already bloated script. It probably won't happen until I post the rest of my scene outlines and until I get back into the swing of things in April. If you have the time and energy to make the changes yourself, then have at it and I'll look hard at it once I get back.
You're as bad as my sister when I try to tell her that Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk are pretty decent movies. She does not like the superhero comic movie genre except the new Batman movies. She doesn't even like the "Spidey" movies!
I still feel in my gut that showing the "royals" mostly laid back and taking it easy (a few exceptions) is the way to go in establishing conservation that would allude to a desire for more, or at least curiosity for something different. Wow me with a hunting scenario and other augmented scenes and prove me wrong, please. "
I am going to try one more time to say as clearly as I possibly can: I do not want nor am I asking for a hunting scene in this script. The activity is not important - let's come up with something for them to be "over-involved in" thereby losing track of time. Any pass time you like. I realize I threw some "ridiculous" ideas out there previously, but I was "reaching", trying to humorously get my point across that they could be doing anything you like and that I was more than willing for them to be doing anything you like and that I wasn't pushing or insisting on the hunting.
My only argument about the hunting was that from my memory of what I read in the book that is something they did, but was not asking for it to be put in the script.
I've read your other post, which clarifies that particular passage in the book as well as pulling from an additional resource. I will accept your findings as I do not have a copy of the book in my possession, nor do I have access to additional resources and I've been going strong for more than 24 hours in an effort to complete my final research paper, therefore my mind is completely muddled and I am in no condition to respond in an intelligent manner. My brain is fried and my body is screaming for the sweet peace of sleep and I have to get up early for work all week this week as the senior paralegal is on vacation this week, so it is my responsibility to "open up shop" in his absence.
I'm not so egotistical that I cannot admit I've been mistaken. Perhaps I misread, or misinterpreted what I read. I just knew that it said they hunted, but again even though I was arguing the "fact" that they hunted, I was not arguing for it to be used in the script. Somewhere along the line I have failed to communicate that to you. We can use the same elements, but we can have them doing anything. I'm sure they rode horses while in Aman, we can have doing some sort of a contest, something to show their skill as a rider to show whose the best, or a race or..........I don't know something, I can't think anymore and I've probably made a horrible suggestion because I've been buried in Jewish and Christian theologian books regarding the prophecy of Christ since 9 pm on Friday and just submitted the paper about thirty minutes ago. What day is it now? Every time Mom sticks her head in and tells me I need to get some sleep I tell her I'll sleep when I'm dead and keep going. Ah....now I'm rambling and know it is time for me to get out of here.
Please, please my friend DO NOT put in a hunting scene. I don't want one and throughout the entire discourse have not been asking for one. I merely used it as an example, but we have them playing stick ball if you like. Geeze, there I go again, being outlandish. I'll check in again a soon, but it may be a day or so because other than work, I need to recover from my marathon.
- Melkor shows up at Formenos and tries to persuade Feanor that he is on his side. Melkor mentions the possible danger that the Silmarils may be in and this causes Feanor to get upset and rebuke Melkor; telling him to leave. He slams the door on Melkor.
<|> Talk about the Silmarils by Melkor<|>
*Change* Feanor is unsure but might ally himself with Melkor to a limited degree until the Silmarils are mentioned. He gets hot mad and slams the door on Melkor.
"BEATS" 1. Melkor surprises Feanor 2. Feanor ask "what do you want?" 3. Melkor says that he is on Feanor's side 4. Feanor opens up for a possible alliance 5. Melkor mentions that Silmarils 6. Feanor blows his top; slams the door
I've been looking for the outline of Melkor and Ungoliant but I cannot locate it. I didn't always have my notebook with me, and I think that I may have scribbled it down on a sheet a paper and filed it away in some now forgotten place. There seems to be a couple of other scenes that are missing too. I will look for them again tonight but I would continue to post scenes although now they may be slightly out of order.
- Eonwe summons Feanor to Taniquetil for a festival commissioned by Manwe. He goes to the festival but not in festive gear. The other attendees are disappointed by this. Switch locations to Melkor and Ungoliant at the trees and then back to the Festival. The light starts to fade; Yavanna and Nienna are highly concerned. Switch locations back to Melkor and Ungoliant going to Formenos and then switch back to Manwe sending out scouts and the unquiet crowd. All the host at the festival resolve to go to the trees.
<|> The light of the two trees failing <|>
*Change* Joy of the festival turns into lamentations.
"BEATS" 1. Eonwe at Formenos 2. Melkor and Ungoliant on the mountains 3. Feanor at the Festival 4. Melkor stabs trees 5. The light fells, Yavanna and Nienna are concerned 6. Melkor and Ungoliant at Formenos 7. Manwe sends scouts and the host proceed to the trees
- Feanor appears in Tirion and rallies the Noldor to leave Aman. He violates his parole and rebels against the Valar. Then Feanor swears an unlawful oath as does all of his sons. Feanor's brothers challenge him but Feanor prevails in convincing the Noldor to leave Aman for Middle-earth.
<|> The Mention of men <|>
*Change* Despair over the current state of affairs in Valinor changes to hope of new realms.
During the process of writing the scene where Feanor gives his speech to the Noldor gathered in Tirion, I went about writing a version of what he might have spoken in addition to what was in the book. I used some pieces of it in the actual script. Here is the rough draft of that speech.
...They would say that it is for our protection that they gathered us here. Protection from the bitterness of Middle-earth and the evil of Morgoth. What claim would they now use to keep us here? The light of the trees that bewitched the three ambassadors; That spell that lead them to convince the host of the Eldar to come forth to these lands called Blessed, has been broken.
But now we see more clearly, even in the dark of this hour; for the Undying land is not without death and the blessing of this realm has surely withered and faded away.
Is it wisdom that we were saved from the evil of Middle-earth, yet to be exposed here to the same foe that was the cause of that very evil? Would Eru suffer us to be awoken by Cuivienen for no reason? Would he not have set our eyes upon the trees of wonder from the start, if it were to be our destiny?
Now we know of the after-comers that will strive and contend for control of Middle-earth. Why hasn't the call gone out to these weaker folk to come to Aman for safety? No, they will not come because there is no safety here! The Powers would gather us in close, to be under their watch so that they might soon come to dominate Middle-earth through these easy to be manipulated after-comers. The wide realms of Middle-earth should be ours by birthright, by the very will of Iluvatar placing us there. We should be the governors of these after-comers, these who are called Men. They should serve us and not usurp us; but the Valar begrudge our destiny and wish us to become a docile, diminished people, gathered at their feet and under their control.
I say to you, throw off the shackles that they have placed on your hearts and minds! Break free and let us rule our own destines. Lords of our on lands with valleys, rivers, mountains, to claim. We will shape Middle-earth to be a more wondrous place then this bankrupt land!