Post by Glorfindel on Nov 16, 2009 12:59:09 GMT -5
The Problem with Ulmo and Aulë
The issue is this; I have half a mind to make Aulë bulky and strong...how a dwarf would image him. Then I remember that the Valar imitated the look of the first born (for the most part). So, should he be an elfish looking strong-man or an Atlas/dwarf hyper-type?
Then there is also the issue of his demeanor. He supplies some comic relieve in the script and is not as serious minded as Mandos or Ulmo.
Ulmo has his own difficulties. I don't want to do a knee jerk portrait of him as a different looking Poseidon/Neptune. He has a lot of interaction with the elves and men in Middle-earth throughout the first age, so his role is one of the most vital among the Valar.
I'm still debating the issue.
Last Edit: Dec 1, 2009 10:23:13 GMT -5 by Glorfindel
Post by Glorfindel on Nov 16, 2009 13:29:32 GMT -5
One more for today.
This was kind of hard because I looked for real female actors who had a dance background. I know that this post is mainly about getting a general idea of how the Valar should look, but like I said before, I still like the idea of placing a possible live action perspective in the decision making.
1st Choice Jennifer Garner(37) 5’8”
2nd Choice Summer Glau(29) 5’6’’
3rd Choice Julia Stiles(28) 5' 8"
I almost went with Summer because she is the most skilled out of the three (she was a prima ballerina). I just think she's too small/short/little...I don't know... What do you think?
Post by hiddenvalor on Nov 17, 2009 14:31:21 GMT -5
I really like all of your selections so far, especially Tulkas. I wouldn't have thought of him either, but I do like him very much. Jennifer Garner has a child-like beauty that I think works really well for Nessa.
As for Aule and Ulmo...I dunno. My first thought was Dwayne Johnson for Aule, 'cuz he's buff 'n stuff, but he lends himself to more serious roles. Perhaps Gerard Butler, since he's a bit rugged but still regal.
Ulmo's a tough cookie, though. I agree that we want to avoid the overt Poseidon/Neptune resemblance, but I really don't have any ideas for him.
Valor hidden is character-driven.
"Beyond the Circles of the World you shall not persue those who refuse you." --Hurin to Morgoth upon Thangorodrim
"We are Rangers. We walk in the dark places no others will enter. We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass. We live for the One, we die for the One." -- Anla'shok creed
Thanks for your comments HV. I would like Mr. Johnson to he cast somewhere but I'm not sure "where" anymore. Mr. Butler would be ok and I my consider him for Aule more now than I did before. Ulmo still alludes me. I keep seeing Sean Connery :0. Maybe a Sean 15 years ago...but he reminds me more of a Neptune type. I then thought Jeremy Irons (love his voice). Still, I'm not sold on him because to me, he is just a different, but same, type of Connery. I may wait for last to decide on Ulmo.
Post by Glorfindel on Nov 18, 2009 11:57:19 GMT -5
Doing two more today and maybe one more by Friday.
Next up is the Doomsman. I had gone the "bald" way earlier on, thinking someone Patrick Stewart, Arnold Vosloo (The Mummy, The Mummy Returns) or Peter Wooward (son of the late Edward Woodward) would be a nice change.
I've since moved away from that and looked elsewhere. My final choices are as follows:
1st Choice Clive Owen(47) 6’2’’
2nd Choice Jason Isaacs(46) 5’11’
3rd Choice Ralph Fiennes(48) 6’
I went with Clive. He can look very intimidating and has a decent deep voice (needed for the "Doom of Mandos" speech). I had Jason as a backup for Orome but he would make a decent Mandos, and Ralph would do fine too if the others didn't work out.
Post by Glorfindel on Nov 18, 2009 12:24:44 GMT -5
Continuing in the family, is the next template. It was pretty straight forward. I thought that Helen was sad but not soft enough. I went with Julia because she is always crying! It must be in her contract that she must cry at some point in the films that she does. I can remember at least four movies right off the bat that has her crying in them (Legends of the Fall, First Knight, Sabrina, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button). She has a way of still looking pretty, even when she is sorrowful, which invites you to be sad with her (in my opinion). So, there you have it.
The last Prototype Template for this week is of Vána. She does not have a large part in the book or film so I didn't rack my brain on the selection. I liked Kristanna at first but then I decided that Estella looked more like the "Queen of Spring" or the "Ever-Young".
It's been a busy week, but I'll post one more while I have the chance. ;D
It's my main man Melkor Morgoth.
I had somewhat jokingly suggested Dwayne Johnson a while back (I still have a hunch that he could pull it off very well). In time, I moved on and put Mr. Sewell up as the top contender. It's the eyes. In the book, once Melkor becomes Morgoth, it's the eyes that daunt people. Not just scary or fierce, but convincing, manipulative and scheming.
I think that Rufus's look and voice would fit very well in that role. I've include two of my favorites as backups, but I'll go with Rufus all the way.
Post by hiddenvalor on Nov 20, 2009 15:53:07 GMT -5
Oooh, yeah, Rufus Sewell! Woo hoo! I wasn't too excited about Vana's pick, but like you said, she doesn't have a big part so it's not so bad. I would like to see Kristanna Loken somewhere...don't know where, though.
I had the hardest time with this one. I went from older actor to younger, buff to sleek, on and on. I decided to go with an actor that I had placed as a back up for several other roles. I like his stare and he can drop the tone of his voice to match what I think would suit Ulmo, although I believe that any of the three could do Ulmo well.
1st Choice Jason Isaacs(46) 5’11’
2nd Choice Gary Oldman(51) 5’9’’
3rd Choice Arnold Vosloo(47) 6’2’’
Check out Jason's interview below. I like his "Ian Mckellen" voice.
I had another tough time with Aulë. I went with someone that I had not considered until two weeks ago. Not the likely actor that would first come to mind, but once I decided on him, I felt comfortable with the choice.
I'll start with Vairë, who is espoused to Mandos (Námo). Earlier in this post, I selected Clive Owen as the model/prototype for Mandos. Vairë does not play a big part in the book or script, but I still looked hard for someone that had the "image" of what I pictured her to be. So, these selections are more about presence and look. Here we go.
1st Choice Bridget Moynahan (38)5’9”
2nd Choice Demi Moore(47) 5’5”
3rd Choice Angie Everhart(40) 5’10’’
Last Edit: Dec 2, 2009 13:53:53 GMT -5 by Glorfindel